How a Hacker Fired a Locked Smart Gun

How a Hacker Fired a Locked Smart Gun

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  1. I see this like a bike lock. Anyone can thwart it with the right tools, but the point is that barely anyone is walking around with the right tools.

    edit: I guess one major use case – i.e. theft prevention – is compromised by this. Someone who steals the gun from your home to use later can figure out how to override it. But still, guns are so common in this country I feel like such a thief would prefer to just find a different gun rather than have one they need to override with a magnet, which would come with the risk of it not firing at all in a situation where they’d want a reliable weapon.

  2. The magnet is the only one which surprised me.

    Jamming is the obvious attack and there’s no obvious way to defend. The record and playback looked a bit easy and there could be more security to make this harder.

    I suppose RF record and playback is a bit simple.

  3. work for a division of first alert, we made an electronic safe that you could basically shake open, then it was fixed by using the magnetic pins like the gun, and that was shown to be bypassed with a heavy magnet.

  4. I don’t think any smart gun that uses wireless transmission can be relied on for any mass market deployment. The jamming issue is too big of a problem. It has to use some sort of physical contact sensor to authenticate the user.

    Fingerprint tech sucks for reliability so that is probably why they went this route but unless you can ensure that tiny watch puts out enough power to override any jamming signal, wireless is a step in the wrong direction imo.

  5. I don’t want a gun that someone could potentially “jam” with a radio signal. The regular ones seem to work just fine. They fire when they’re supposed to. There’s a reason the designs haven’t changed much. You don’t want a gun to be complicated.

    And smart guns aren’t going to make regular one’s disappear. Criminals would obviously prefer the ones that function more easily, and thus they will continue to aquire them. They aren’t stupid. Looking at “gun-control” from the viewpoint of a law-abiding citizen is incredibly naive. You have to look at it from a criminal’s viewpoint.

    From a criminal’s viewpoint, I would prefer all CCW holder’s to be using these “smart guns” so that I could find a flaw and take advantage of it. Take this guy in the video for example. Imagine security officers at a bank using these “smart guns.” The guy walks in and jams all their guns. And guess what, he has a regular gun. Now what?

  6. I’m not going to trust my life to a smart gun. Would these gun control activists be in favor of relaxing gun control laws in other countries and only sell smart guns? Of course not. This is just another way to control the people.

  7. I’m thinking this thing could be disabled mechanically without a magnet or jammers or whatever. The magnet inside the frame pulls that piece of metal in the slide to the “down” position, right? So just make that piece of metal always in the “down” position. TIG weld it or even just some JB weld or something.

  8. If you have physical access to the gun you could just make it fire by drilling out whatever keeps the firing pin from working.

    So really the only bad attacks here are the jamming, which keeps the gun from firing when the actual owner wants it to, and the magnet which allows anyone to fire the gun with little effort. The signal relay method and signal boost method both require more effort than simply physically modifying the gun.

  9. **CSR:** Thank you for calling Armatix customer support, can I have your first and last name?
    **Owner:** I desperately your help! I bought one of your pistols just a week ago and the watch isn’t turning on. I’m in my bedroom right now and was woken up by noises in the kitchen. Please help me fix my watch!
    **CSR:** I’m sorry to hear that, sir, but before I can transfer you to our technical support team I need to know the make and model of the pistol and the serial number as well.
    **Owner:** WTF, I don’t have time for this shit! Tell me how to fix my watch!!

  10. Smart guns are solutions nobody wanted to problems nobody has. In military, police, or self-defense uses, nobody trusts the reliability issues with electronically-locked weapons, and three-level security holsters used by police work just fine for daily carry. Any gun that’s stolen can be broken down and the security systems bypassed.

    The only realistic use scenario for “smart guns” is as purely recreational range toys for non-traditional gun owners. They would appreciate the peace of mind created by a potentially unreliable gun security system. Unfortunately, this mindset also makes for a dangerous gun owner, as they rely on technology to feel safe instead of drilling into themselves basic gun safety rules and common sense.

  11. This video seems to imply that the watch is just broadcasting at a specific frequency and that is what unlocks the gun. I would have expected it to transmit an encrypted packet that identifies the watch to the gun, also much harder to duplicate. Anyone familiar with the system able to tell me if the video was over simplifying or if this is the stupidest “smart” gun ever?

  12. Jesus Christ wasn’t Wired the magazine that was jerking off about how great Smart Guns were and drooling about how evil firearm companies were just a few months ago?

    And now they’re publishing articles on precisely why smart guns are a terrible idea and should never see the light of day?

  13. Smart gun? Sounds like a pretty dumb idea.

    I don’t want to have a gun that requires third party authorization to fire. What if the government can just turn off your gun remotely?

    From the looks of it, a jamming device to disable your gun is pretty basic and effective, too. The guy here did it with two Double-A batteries, imagine something on 9V, or a directional antenna on a car battery, or wiring one directly into a vehicle.

  14. Most gun owners are not against smart guns. They are against mandating that you must purchase a smart gun instead of a gun that doesn’t have electronics in it. The government shouldn’t have any say in what types of guns are allowed to be owned. There’s a law in NJ that says as soon as smart guns are on the market anywhere in the US, after a period of time, that’s all that will be allowed to be purchased in NJ. Thus, a lot of gun owners around the country are against them coming to the market. As long as that law is on the books, smart guns will not be in the consumer market. It’s a counter intuitive law. If someone wants to own a smart gun, let them own one, but don’t force everyone else to do so too.

  15. Smart guns are a terrible idea. They just introduce more potential points of failure. They will never be popular. They are expensive and vulnerable to exploits like the ones listed in the video.

    Common sense measures like locking the weapon up in a safe, or education about the weapon are infinitely cheaper and more effective.

  16. No surprises here. Everything is hackable in the hands of a pro. The best safes can be cracked but it doesn’t make the idea of having a safe bad one.

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